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🗓️ 17 September 2021
⏱️ 72 minutes
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The New York Times describes Helen Joyce’s book, Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality, as “an intelligent, thorough rejoinder to an idea that has swept across much of the liberal world seemingly overnight.” Joyce reminds us that her book is not about trans people, but rather, it is about the idea “that people should count as men or women according to how they feel and what they declare, instead of their biology.” Helen explains the ways it’s more acceptable for men to “give up some privilege” and strategies women in other cultures have used to opt out of unfavorable circumstances. Perhaps denying sex leads to a perfectly clear demonstration of just how different men and women can be. We also reflect on the differences between American’s tendency to double-down on bad policy and the hopefulness Helen feels with the unfolding UK reckoning with gender self-ID. In this episode, we discuss the many ramifications of “you are exactly who you say you are.”
Links:
Helen Joyce’s Website:
Helen on Twitter: Twitter.com/HJoyceGender
Book Review by Jesse Singal
Nytimes.com/2021/09/07/books/review/trans-helen-joyce.html
Helen’s interview with Andrew Doyle:
Youtube.com/watch?v=KAYR8GUJsqo
Stella’s Book Review in The Evening Standard:
Standard.co.uk/culture/books/trans-when-ideology-meets-reality-helen-joyce-review-b944183.html
Becoming Julia (Gender Transition Documentary):
YouTube.com/watch?v=kNjV37vp5qk
The End of the World is Flat by Simon Edge:
Eye-books.com/books/the-end-of-the-world-is-flat
Survivorship Bias:
En.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
Small Gods by Terry Pratchett:
Terrypratchettbooks.com/books/small-gods
Extended Notes:
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0:00.0 | You're listening to gender, a wider lens. |
0:04.0 | I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland. |
0:06.5 | And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States. |
0:10.6 | Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens |
0:16.1 | and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning |
0:20.7 | teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and |
0:24.2 | individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the |
0:28.1 | concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens. |
0:35.0 | Helen Joyce has been a staff journalist at The Economist since 2005. |
0:42.0 | She's currently the Britain editor. Previous jobs include |
0:45.8 | finance editor and Brazil correspondent based in Sao Paulo. Before joining the |
0:51.4 | economist she edited Plus an online magazine about mathematics, published by the University of Cambridge. |
0:59.0 | And she was founding editor of the Royal Statistical Society's magazine, Significance. |
1:05.0 | She has a PhD in Mathematics from University College London. |
1:10.0 | Helen joins us today to discuss her recent book, |
1:13.0 | Trans, when ideology meets reality. |
1:16.0 | We have a fascinating conversation, |
1:18.0 | not about trans people per se, |
1:20.0 | but about gender identity ideology. |
1:23.0 | Here's our conversation with Helen. |
1:25.0 | So Helen, Joyce, today is a really big day for you actually. |
1:30.0 | We feel very lucky that you are on our program. Can you tell us a little bit about the significance of |
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