ZLaw 701 Eastgate Drive Suite 310 Mount Laurel, Duturcy 08054, Diana Magala, licensed in New York

and New Jersey Joseph Cordell, licensed in Missouri and Illinois only, Cordell Cordell.com.

This is CBS I In The World. I'm John Batsy with Professor Benjamin Carp, a book on college

and CUNY Graduate Center. His new book is The Great New York Fire of 1776, a law story of the American

Revolution. Nearly 250 years later, there's no resolution. All the testimony gathered at the time

from inquiries, from investigation, from eyewitnesses, from stories told, and inquiry years later in

Britain run officially by the Crown still no resolution because we're now talking about fire,

perhaps at 12 points, perhaps at 15, perhaps at 20. But there are people now rushing to answer the

fire breaking out in empty houses or houses that have occupants. This got my attention immediately,

Professor, I had to read it several times. Pumps and buckets are sabotage, cutting of the bucket

handle, breaking of the pump. How do we explain that unless there was someone with a design?

I mean, the only other explanation, well, two other explanations. One is that these eyewitnesses

are lying or mistaken. And the other explanation was that you just had people causing chaos and

doing mischief for no motivation, but just because things were chaotic and they were doing this

for random malevolent reasons. But no, I mean, the loyalist and British witnesses see firefighting

equipment being deliberately tampered with preventing the firefighters from doing their jobs as

effectively as possible. The Trinity Church and the St. Paul's Church representing the Church of

England representing the Crown, that will become an important debating point for those who see this

all as a design because it was anti-church. There was one man, I believe his name is Boucher.

Forgive me, Professor, if I misremember, who testified afterwards or spoke afterwards that there

were no meeting houses, that is, Decentre Church's burning. But there was a great attention to

Trinity Church, which burned. And St. Paul's, I believe, they prevented from burning.

...