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4/8: Den of Spies: Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason That Stole the White House by Craig Unger (Author)

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 9 minutes

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4/8: Den of Spies: Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason That Stole the White House by Craig Unger  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Den-Spies-Reagan-History-Treason/dp/B0D2LPBJMH
It was a tinderbox of an accusation. In April 1991, the New York Times ran an op-ed alleging that Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign had conspired with the Iranian government to delay the release of 52 American hostages until after the 1980 election. The Iranian hostage crisis was President Jimmy Carter's largest political vulnerability, and his lack of success freeing them ultimately sealed his fate at the ballot box. In return for keeping Americans in captivity until Reagan assumed the oath of office, the Republicans had secretly funneled arms to Iran. Treasonous and illegal, the operation--planned and executed by Reagan's campaign manager Bill Casey--amounted to a shadow foreign policy run by private citizens that ensured Reagan's victory.
Investigative journalist Craig Unger was one of the first reporters covering the October Surprise--initially for Esquire and then Newsweek--and while attempting to unravel the mystery, he was fired, sued, and ostracized by the Washington press corps, as a counter narrative took hold: The October Surprise was a hoax. Though Unger later recovered his name and became a bestselling author on Republican abuses of power, the October Surprise remained his white whale, the project he--as well as legendary investigative journalist, the late Robert Parry--worked on late at night and between assignments.
In Den of Spies, Unger reveals the definitive story of the October Surprise, going inside his three-decade reporting odyssey, along with Parry's never-before-seen archives, and sharing startling truths about what really happened in 1980. The result is a real-life political thriller filled with double agents, CIA operatives, slippery politicians, KGB documents, wealthy Republicans, and dogged journalists. A timely and provocative history that presages our Trump-era political scandals, Den of Spies demonstrates the stakes of allowing the politics of the moment to obscure the writing of our history.
1980 Reagan campaign

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0:00.0

Hey, move those routers there.

0:04.1

Oh, hey, it's me.

0:05.5

Your data center.

0:06.7

And as you can hear, I'm making some big changes in here

0:09.2

because AI is making some bigger ones everywhere.

0:12.3

So I took a little trip to Nokia.

0:14.5

Super fast routers, optical interconnect, fully automated.

0:18.1

The whole data center networking portfolio.

0:20.6

And they deliver.

0:22.3

That's them.

0:23.4

Hey, Nokia, right on time.

0:25.9

Get your data center AI ready.

0:28.0

Someday is here with Nokia.

0:35.5

This is CBSI in the world.

0:37.4

I'm John Batchew with my friend and colleague, Craig Unger, Den of Spies, Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason that stole the White House.

0:45.3

Craig and I were at the same gym on the Upper West Side at this time, and I was often listening to his tales about going from the success of Esquire to the resources available from Newsweek.

0:58.0

With bureaus all over the world, as Craig says, and they want you to go somewhere, you just buy the

1:03.0

ticket and go there.

1:04.6

This is owned by the Washington Post, makes a great deal of money.

1:07.8

Your editorial meetings, there's a team put together.

1:10.1

It's extremely impressive.

1:11.7

Maynard Parker is the manager-in-chief. He hires Craig in a conversation. John Barry is the head

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