I'm John Bachelor with Professor Eric Klein. The new book is After 1177 BC.

Civilization collapse, the globalization trade collapse, but there were big winners called

technically anti-f fragile guess one came with the alphabet maybe the other came

with iron maybe the Phoenicians who the professor and

tells me never called themselves Phoenicians they identified with cities tire and

Sidon and Beirut, Biblos. Those traders, and then there are the genius

metallurgists of Cyprus. And this is important to mention because we're talking about how you deal with collapse.

The Assyrians dealt with it with leadership.

The Egyptians dealt with it by retracting.

They took a recession the Phoenicians

and the Cypriots are opportunists accidentally professor were they geniuses

I'm gonna go with genius rather than accidental.

It seemed very deliberate.

But yes, both the Phoenicians and the Cypriots are at the top of my list.

They're the top-ranked people in terms of how you deal with a collapse,

how you deal with catastrophe when your society and or your globalized network go down.

What do you do when there are supply chain issues and so on?

The Phoenicians and the Cypriots,

as you mentioned, are what I call anti-fragf fragile which is a term that I've borrowed from

Nasim Nicholas Talib who has a book of that title and he defines anti-f fragile as

when you flourish in conditions of chaos, which is perfect for what happened after the collapse.

Basically, the Phoenicians who are in what is today modern day Lebanon they are the

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