Welcome to Spirit Jim. What if the most dangerous thing about AI isn't that it will destroy us,

but that we're already falling in love with it? Today's guest is Elizabeth A.O.N. Nelson,

depth psychologist, author, and one of the sharpest minds navigating the intersection of technology

and the human soul. She spent 18 years in Silicon Valley

before leaving to study Dep Psychology at Pacifica Graduate Institute. Since then, she has spent

over a decade studying the psychological and somatic impact of mobile digital technology. Her research

draws on depth psychology, phenomenology,

and the somatic sciences, feels that examine not just behavior,

but the interior world of the person, their felt self,

their body-based awareness, and their relationship to the unconscious.

In this conversation, Paul and Elizabeth go to places that no one is talking

about yet. They explore what technology actually is, and why your phone and the Bible may have more

in common than you do expect. They look at what makes us human, what a machine truly is, and how

LLMs simulate subjectivity, and why that simulation is precisely what makes

them psychologically dangerous. And they ask the question that should keep all of us up at night.

Are we already projecting our souls onto our devices, and are those devices starting to

possess us? But before we get started, we'd like to say thank you for

listening, as this podcast would not be possible without you, our subscribers and followers. We'd also

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And now over to Paul and Elizabeth, as they explore why bullfrogs know more about frogs than Google does.

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