Welcome to Spirit Jim. What if the life you're living right now is being run by a cosmology you never

consciously chose? What if the amnesia you don't even know you have about who you really are,

where you really come from, and what love actually means, is the single thread that, when pulled,

unravels almost everything that isn't working?

Today, Paul welcomes back Mark Gober, author of the Upside Down series of seven books

spanning consciousness, science and the nature of reality.

Mark recently underwent an iBogaine experience, one of the most pharmacologically complex

plant medicines ever studied, with documented effects on addiction, trauma and what researchers

are cautiously beginning to call identity restructuring. Paul and Mark are talking today

about why your cosmology is the seed out of which your entire psychology

grows. Your cosmology isn't just a philosophical position. It is the root system of your entire

psychology. Change it and everything changes. They discuss the ancestral trauma living in your DNA right

now and the voices in your head that sound exactly

like you but aren't. Before we get started, we'd like to say thank you for listening, as this podcast

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Now over to Paul and Mark as they dive into what real love looks like when the medicine

strips away everything

you've been performing.

Hello, everybody. I'm super excited. I got Mark Gober back. Somebody always loved to dialogue

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