#392: Successful Marriage Prepping—Timothy and Stephanie Gordon

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🗓️ 6 September 2024

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, we sit down with Timothy and Stephanie Gordon to discuss their compelling new book, “Leave and Cleave: Nine Marriage-Prep Secrets, Once Taught, Now Censored.”

We all see the havoc wreaked by divorce. The victims lie strewn everywhere. Why not nip the problem in the bud and start at the beginning—and the head of the marriage river, which is how marriage preparation is done? Tim and Stephanie Gordon, parents of seven, podcast hosts and authors, tackle the essential principles of preparing for a lifelong commitment within the framework of Catholic teaching, including (especially?) the challenging bits.

Here they share their motivation behind writing the book, drawing from their personal experiences and the urgent need they see for revitalizing traditional marriage preparation in the Church. We explore key themes from the book, such as the importance of understanding the sacramental nature of marriage, the biblical roles of husband and wife, and the significance of leaving behind past attachments to fully cleave to one’s spouse. Timothy and Stephanie offer practical advice for couples, blending theological insights with real-world applications.

Whether you're engaged, married, or simply interested in Catholic views on marriage, this episode provides valuable guidance and inspiration. Tune in for an enriching conversation that promises to strengthen your understanding and approach to Catholic marriage.

In this interview, we cover:

How marriage prep began to weaken after Vatican II
Why confusion about the very definition of marriage leads to bad outcomes
The Gordon’s own journey toward Catholic orthodoxy
How the extended adolescence of our culture has cause massive disruptions to the very idea of marriage as a lifelong commitment
Why Humanae Vitae didn’t quote persuade skeptics of Catholic teaching on contraception
Why the traditional view of the roles of husband and wives is enjoying a resurgence among young Catholics

Resources mentioned in this episode:

The Rules for Retrogrades main website (including the book “Leave and Cleave” under discussion)

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0:00.0	Getting straight to it. We have a crisis of marriage. We have a crisis of marriage preparation.
0:05.1	Men and women do not really know how to get married. They don't get the sex talk. They don't get the money talk when they're kids. And they don't get the how to get married properly talk for sure.
0:13.1	The new default is, of course, feminists by nature. And we need an antidote. Well, Tim and Stephanie Gordon have written a book together about this very topic,
0:22.0	marriage prep, but also how to stay married and be happy that way,
0:25.8	according to God's plan for marriage.
0:27.1	The book is called Leave and Cleave, nine marriage prep secrets, once taught, now censored.
0:33.3	If you want the full, speaking of uncensored, uncensored edition of this conversation, which will certainly in parts be censored, go to patrickoffin.com, get the full unplugged version of this crucial conversation.
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1:02.1	The coupon is my name, Patrick. Go to the checkout. Patrick's the coupon code and save.
1:07.2	Coming up next, Tim and Stephanie Gordon on Leave and Cleave. Don't miss it.
1:11.8	Always a treat to speak with Tim and Stephanie Gordon. They have written, well, this is, I think,
1:16.3	their first book together. Tim is the host of the Rules for Retrogrades podcast, the author of
1:20.4	Catholic Republic and the case for patriarchy. Stephanie's the author of Ask Your Husband,
1:25.0	about which we've talked on this show. Tim, it's Stephanie.
1:28.1	Hello.
1:30.1	What's up, Pat?
1:31.0	Great to be here again.
1:32.2	You were kind of on the trajectory to write this book together.
1:34.5	Is this something that's been germinating?
1:38.0	Is this something with which you were pregnant for some time?
1:41.9	With child, as it were.
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