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The Talk Show With John Gruber

391: ‘Error -37’, With John Siracusa

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.83.6K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2023

⏱️ 164 minutes

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Summary

Special holiday guest: John Siracusa. Special holiday topics: the Apple/Masimo patent dispute over the blood oxygen sensors in Apple Watches, the ongoing Beeper Mini/iMessage saga, iOS 17.3’s upcoming Stolen Device Protection feature, Apple’s new Journal app. Also, an ode to big-ass tower desktops.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Here's the most disappointing part of this, John.

0:02.7

I'm so appreciative of you taking time in the holiday season

0:06.8

to do the show that I was going to get you a gift,

0:10.7

but the gift I was going to get you

0:12.4

was a brand new series 9 Apple Watch.

0:15.0

Someone just said today in a slack that they went to an Apple store and bought one.

0:20.0

Like today.

0:21.0

Well, you can't, I guess you can get them in the brick and mortar retail stores until they run out.

0:26.9

So that I do want to talk about it because I think there is some poetic justice here right with the and

0:37.1

it's a perennial topic with you guys on ATP about your unanimous dislike of the US patent system and long whatever

0:49.1

the situation here is between Apple and Massimo I don't know how do you think it's pronounced Mossimo

0:54.3

Mossimo. Ultimately it comes down to patents right it's that Mossimo has patents

1:01.6

Apple's filed counter patents They both claim each other's

1:04.7

products are violating each other's patents and the International Trade Commission, I forget

1:10.8

what ITC stands for for has this whole injunction against Apple selling

1:15.8

Apple watches in the US is about a ruling that says yes you're violating Mossimo's patent or patents and therefore the

1:26.7

Apple watch is off the market and you can't I sympathize with anybody who still wants to buy an apple watch and isn't going to be able to.

1:39.0

If this holds through Christmas, and I wrote on my website today.

1:44.0

Overall, it seems like, well, it's okay because they got the warning out so people could people who were going to do a last minute watch gift.

1:51.0

That wasn't a joke like the one I was going to buy for you had time to get one you could still go into the retail store and get one but the after Christmas thing is real? Like people who got silver but wanted midnight

2:06.5

or I guess you could even exchange sizes, right,

2:09.6

if you pay the difference, or I get, you know,

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