39: Democracy VS Authoritarianism Around The World with Uriel Epshtein
Jen Rubin's Green Room
Jen Rubin's Green Room
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🗓️ 7 February 2024
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Get More From This Week’s Guest:
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Twitter | Renew Democracy Initiative | Peace & Dialogue Leadership Initiative
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's green room. |
| 0:07.0 | Fresh off the presses, we have the D.C. Circuit's decision on immunity. If you recall, |
| 0:13.8 | Judge Chetkin in the D.C. case concerning January 6th ruled that there is not absolute immunity for Donald Trump, that he can be prosecuted |
| 0:23.0 | for crimes committed during his presidency. Trump took that up on appeal, and about four weeks |
| 0:29.8 | ago or so, there was an oral argument. And since then, there's been much towing and frowing |
| 0:35.9 | and complaining and whining that the court was taking |
| 0:39.1 | too long. Well, it was worth the wait. It was a unanimous opinion called a per curiam, |
| 0:46.0 | meaning for the court as a whole, that suggests that all the judges had some kind of hand |
| 0:51.8 | in writing it. And it was unequivocal, it was scholarly, |
| 0:56.4 | and I think it's bulletproof. Essentially, the court says it would be absurd. It would collapse |
| 1:02.1 | our entire legal structure for Trump to be able to claim that a president is immune forever |
| 1:09.5 | for whatever he does in office. And the court, in a 57-page |
| 1:15.6 | opinion, I think was quite accurate, quite specific in what Trump was claiming and why that was |
| 1:23.6 | absurd. Now, a good deal of the case was taken up, or a good deal of the opinion, was taken |
| 1:29.5 | up on whether the court should even be hearing the case on collateral appeal, that is, on |
| 1:35.3 | interlocutory appeal before a judgment. And there's a very long legal discussion of that. |
| 1:41.5 | If you're interested, go ahead, read that. But what you should really focus on |
| 1:45.8 | is pages 39 to 41, and those are the heart of the matter. Where the court defends the rule of long, |
| 1:52.4 | the court makes clear that it would be even more absurd to allow Trump to interfere with the transfer |
| 1:58.7 | of power and then claim legal immunity from that. |
| 2:03.1 | So what happens now? |
| 2:04.5 | The court actually put Trump on a very short timeline. |
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