We are not testifying before congress this week. They haven't asked us yet, but you know, it's not too late. We're available. I would be happy to actually know I would not be happy to it would. It sounds terrifying.

My dad had to testify before the SEC once for work related reasons. He was like. He was not in trouble at all. He was like a witness or something for the SEC. And I remember my dad doesn't get scared.

It doesn't get shaken easily. And he was terrified for months leading up to this like absolutely freaking terrified. I don't blame him. So as much as a joke about oh yeah, go to congress. Sure. Why not? I don't know. That seems that seems unenjoyable for anyone.

I've never worked in anything that could have led to serious consequences. If I did anything wrong. I've always worked on fairly low stakes things. Like I felt a lot of pressure to keep the side up. Right. But like.

It wasn't like if I if I messed up, I didn't go to jail and nobody died. And it wasn't like, you know, major problems happening if I screwed something up. Right.

It was you know, I might lose my job if I screwed something up badly enough, but I wouldn't like be criminally lawful for anything. And like there's so many jobs that that's not the case that like, you know, there are significant ramifications if you mess something up.

Including like personal liability, the rent ramifications for you personally. And so it's yeah, I consider myself very lucky that I that you know, I've dedicated most of my career to like helping people waste time basically.

Yeah, it's funny to bring that up. I told the story on other podcasts and probably on this one. But there's a window of time I worked for a company that wrote navigation systems for very, very large boats like cruise ships and stuff like that.

And at one point, I was doing a bug fix for the mob feature, M O B. And at first, I was like, I don't even know what that means. And then I quickly learned that that meant man overboard. Oh, and the idea was it would try to use whatever knew about wins and currents and you're the speed of the boat at the time you hit the button. And so on and so forth to do a little bit of like.

It's a terrible use in this context, but to do dead reckoning to try to figure out like where is the person that's overboard so you can swoop around and hopefully go pick them up. And it was when I was working on this feature there, this bug that I realized.

Unlike the job before when I was working on bingo machines that were allegedly that that were masquerading and slot machines, but they were really just bingo machines.

This stuff, this actually kind of matters like this is kind of a big deal. And it's funny because that particular job that was far and away the most difficult job to get any code change into into into source control because you had to do like all sorts of testing. You had to have independent testing all of which is good. Like I don't think this any of this is bad. But it was very, very challenging going from a completely grab.

Heini organization that that I had come from with with the slot machines where it was like, whatever we. You know, she from the hip, and next thing I know it's like, you know, you have to get we were using like the rational suite for source control for and issue tracking, which was awful.

And you couldn't do anything to the code without associating it with a like a bug that you were fixing, which was a pain, but all of this was for good reason. And it was like a CMMI level three.

Shard to or three, I forget which one it was, but which basically means that when when we had said it will take six months to get that feature done.

The first thing everyone said was you're kidding. This is the smallest feature in the world. But the second thing that happened was it took six months to get the feature done because there was so much like it was this is waterfall taken to the extreme. Right.

And there was so much like red tape and pre planning and pre pre pre planning and so on and so forth that the good news was by the time you actually got to writing code.

It was almost already done at that point. So we shipped very reliably, even though it was suffocating suffocating place to work. And it wasn't again like for good reason. I'm not really complaining about it.

But yeah, outside of that, I've done nothing that matters in my entire career.

I don't know. That was a very weird tangent. I'm in a little bit of a goofy mood tonight. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know.

You know, I don't know if this is not in good taste. I think it's fine. But, but I was listening to I believe was today's dithering speaking of tangents and they were covering the the testimony that was going to happen today.

And oh my goodness, like the entire the dithering is so good to begin with, but that particular episode. I don't know if you two have heard it yet. But I felt like every single ounce of it was so incredibly accurate and well done. And if you are a dithering listener, I really encourage you to listen to that episode. Do not skip it. And if you're not, I definitely encourage you to try it. It is very, very good. Have you guys heard today's. No, not yet. But I will echo the endorsement for listening to dithering. I find it wonderful.

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