This is Jockel Podcast number 385 with Echo Troubles and me, Jockel Willink. Good evening, Echo.

Good evening. Also joining us tonight, Life Babin. Good evening, Life. Good evening.

So, recently had Admiral McRavenon, and we started to touch on some discussions about

the ethics of war. And this is a very important thing to discuss. This is

this is where we must learn and know that you have to take the high ground or the high ground

will take you. That's true on the battlefield, and it is certainly true from an ethical and

a moral perspective. Now, the optics of war from the outside can be absolutely terrible,

and they can give the wrong impression. And I think a good example or a good correlation of that

is the stereotype of military leadership. You see the military leadership stereotype in the

movies, and it's filled with these authoritarian tyrants that yell and scream and bark orders. And

that kind of leadership in the military is not normal, and it's not successful.

When it does take place, does it ever take place? Yes, it does. There are tyrants in the military

that yell and scream and bark orders, just like there's tyrants in the corporate world that yell

and scream and bark orders, but it's not normal. It's not normal. It's not successful.

Leadership in the military is by people that do the right thing and listen to their troops and

and care about their people. Now, when we talk about the ethics of war,

look, it's same thing. There's movies that present these crazy ethical situations and

show the military in a bad light. But on top of that, there's news media, there's social media,

there's books out there that can give a terrible impression of the American military and the

ethics in the American military that the American military is just unjust and immoral.

When the fact of the matter is that that look, that is true. There have been cases, obviously.

But it is certainly not acceptable in any sense, the word. It's not even remotely common.

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