#382 Clifton Duncan & Hawk Jensen - You Will Never Look At COVID The Same Way Again
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🗓️ 26 September 2025
⏱️ 83 minutes
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Summary
Zuby is joined by filmmaker Hawk Jensen and actor-writer Clifton Duncan for a candid reckoning with the COVID years. They explore how fear, propaganda, and bureaucracy shaped behavior; the media’s power to sculpt “the science”; and the moral psychology behind compliance, cowardice, and courage. This is a thorough reflection on the pandemic.
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:07) Reflecting on the Pandemic
(02:09) The Cultural Amnesia of COVID-19
(03:54) Lessons Learned and Personal Reflections
(09:36) The Role of Fear and Propaganda
(12:17) Dissidence and the Power of Free Thought
(33:30) Global Impact and Personal Experiences
(40:13) The Media's Role in Shaping Perception
(41:49) The Science and Its Discontents
(43:41) The Nature of Evil and Human Behaviour
(50:18) The Role of Bureaucracy and Cowardice
(01:01:00) The Collapse of the Old Regime
(01:05:32) Political Fatigue and the Need for a Reset
(01:10:16) The Power of Art and Authenticity
(01:18:16) Outro
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| 0:55.1 | we have got on filmmaker Hawk Jensen and actor and writer Clifton Duncan. Welcome to the show. |
| 1:00.7 | How are you both doing? Doing okay, man. Doing well. Enjoy getting into the summer here. |
| 1:05.6 | And looking this world unfold in front of us has been pretty nuts lately. But it's been fun |
| 1:10.3 | because you guys are also experiencing it. So things are going great. Yeah, I don't think the world is ever |
| 1:14.9 | normal, and perhaps the world has never quite been normal, and that's just the story of |
| 1:18.9 | humanity and history. But as we say that, I mean, a few years ago, we were living in a totally, |
| 1:25.7 | totally different time, and all three of us have had a lot |
| 1:30.0 | to say about that and have said a lot about it. The first question I want to ask you both individually |
| 1:36.0 | is, what are your thoughts as you reflect back on everything that happened in 2020 through to 2022, even later, depending on |
| 1:47.7 | where you are in the world. But we went through a lot of madness with the whole COVID-19 hype, |
| 1:53.0 | the pandemic, the lockdowns, the mandates, all of it. What are your thoughts now as you reflect on |
| 1:59.8 | it years later? |
| 2:21.4 | Part of the reason I got hyper involved with trying to document what was going on during the pandemic and the lockdowns through this TV series, the fall of the science lockdowns go viral, which you guys both participated in, was knowing that we have a cultural norm of a type of amnesia, |
| 2:24.9 | that everybody eventually forgets everything that we went through, |
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