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No Stupid Questions

38. What Does It Mean to Be a “Good” Man?

No Stupid Questions

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4.63.7K Ratings

🗓️ 7 September 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Also: how can you stop ruminating? This episode originally aired on February 7, 2021.

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0:00.0

I had no point. I just wanted to criticize myself.

0:06.4

I'm Angela Duckworth. I'm Stephen Dubner. And you're listening to No Stupid Questions.

0:11.8

Today on the show, we know misogyny is wrong. But what about misandry? Hey, tell me more about how you hate me.

0:20.0

Also, how do you stop obsessing over things you can't change?

0:24.6

All who ruminate are ruminants, but not all ruminants necessarily ruminate.

0:31.5

Angela, my question for you today is a little circular and a little meta.

0:36.3

It's totally fine.

0:37.1

So you recently sent me an email after an episode in which we had discussed the Dunning Kruger

0:42.7

effect. And you wrote, I was chatting with a colleague yesterday about his skepticism of the

0:50.0

Dunning Krueger effect. I think my updated view is that it may occur and likely does, but does so

0:58.0

alongside regression to the man. Okay, typo. Now, plainly, that was just a typo. You meant to type

1:05.9

regression to the mean. But when I saw that, I thought, wow, regression to the man. That is maybe

1:10.7

the world's best Freudian slip ever, especially in light of a different recent conversation you and I had.

1:18.5

Because in this other conversation, you had brought up the Trier stress test.

1:23.6

The Trier Social Stress Test.

1:25.4

I just want to play you the clip to get it fresh in our mind. Okay. Have you heard of the truer social stress test? I've not. I have a theory that only men name things after themselves. So guess who came up with this social stress test? Yes, that's right. Trir. Trir did, and he was a dude. Okay. Now, interestingly, Angela, that turned out to be

1:47.4

wrong. Wait, what turned out to be wrong specifically? Well, here, I'll play you the fact check,

1:52.1

because Rebecca came in at the end of this episode to tell us what was actually what. So let's hear that

1:56.6

clip, too. Angela says that she has a theory that only men named things after themselves, and she cites

2:02.8

the Trier Social Stress Test as an example.

2:06.1

Men have certainly named quite a few things after themselves throughout history.

2:10.2

However, the Trier Social Stress Test doesn't fit the bill.

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