Hey, everybody. You know, if you're a regular listener to my podcast, you know that we usually have experts on people who are, oh, like Austin Goulsby on the economy or Andy Slavitt we're about to have on the coronavirus or Dahlia Lithwick on the Supreme Court.

But for the 4th of July, I like to have somebody who, well, was really there at the 4th of July.

And I'm talking about our third president and the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson.

And he comes to us virtually today, as you might imagine.

But I think you're really, really, really going to enjoy our annual Fourth of July

on a special podcast.

Music special podcast. President Jefferson, thank you for joining me.

My pleasure.

You know, lots of writers have used this device over the years.

Really, I thought I was the first.

You're joking.

That's funny.

Oh, okay.

Where are you joining us from, sir?

From my crypt in Monticello.

Well, first of all, congratulations.

Your words have held up very well over 244 years. For the most part, I've

been kicking myself for almost 200 years now on the all-men are created equal thing.

How so? Well, old men should mean all men, and I pretty much gave the impression that I meant just

white men who owned property. So that wasn't your intention. But actually it was. I just

started regretting it a number of years later. And when was that?

July 4, 1826.

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