meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
Empire

38. Sykes-Picot: Carving up the Middle-East

Empire

Jack Davenport

History

4.64.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2023

⏱️ 58 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

3 characters. 2 nations. 1 disastrous deal. The Sykes-Picot agreement is often blamed as the cause for much of the unrest in the Middle-East today, but what was it exactly? Listen as William and Anita are joined by James Barr to discuss this historic agreement to carve up the Middle-East. LRB Empire offer: lrb.me/empire This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/empirepod. Twitter: @Empirepoduk Goalhangerpodcasts.com Producer: Callum Hill Exec Producer: Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

If you want access to bonus episodes reading lists for every series of empire, a chat community,

0:06.7

discounts for all the books mentioned in the week's podcast, add free listening and a weekly

0:11.5

newsletter, sign up to Empire Club at

0:14.4

W.

0:15.1

W. empire pod UK.com. The Sykes Pico Agreement is a shocking document.

0:34.8

It is not only the product of greed at its worth,

0:37.7

that is to say of greed allied to suspicion

0:40.3

and so leading to stupidity,

0:42.2

it also stands out as a startling piece of double

0:45.9

dealing. Hello and welcome to Empire with me Anita Arnan and me William

0:51.8

the report. Now that is quite a powerful quote but what is he going on about?

0:56.4

Well we're hoping to explain this in the podcast. First of all William who is that

1:00.9

quote from? That quote is from the great Palestinian nationalist leader,

1:06.2

George Antonius, who in many ways

1:07.9

was the sort of early Palestinian version

1:10.4

of what David Bengurian would successfully become the political leader of the

1:15.2

Palestinians, the one though who failed to take the Palestinians to statehood.

1:20.4

And this was his reaction on discovering the Sykes Pico agreement, which is what we're going to be talking about today, which is, I mean, it's one of those classic moments in Imperial history, which in a sense the very reason that we're doing this entire podcast where the

1:35.4

Middle East is sort of stitched up by a bunch of people who share the same club

1:40.7

in London who are chums who have very little personal experience of the Middle East.

1:47.4

Sykes who is the main character we'll be talking about today claims to have Turkish and Arabic but probably has very little and he divides up the

1:56.4

Middle East it doesn't actually become the shape of the map that we have today

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Jack Davenport, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Jack Davenport and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.