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to explore. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Latter-day Struggles. This is your host, Valerie, and I am so excited to have a good friend of mine here with me today. And for our next Monday episode, hello, Janice Bangler. How are you?

I'm good. So good to be here. Yes, it is so fun to talk to you. I love having conversations with

wise women and I consider you one of my wise women friends. And so I am really, really excited to

jump into a conversation with you all and with Jana about something that I am very intrigued

about as we sort of wind up the year 2025,

the news items around polygamy seem to have, at least from my vantage point,

seemed to have picked up the pace a little bit in 2025.

And as the first thing happened, I was like, oh, that's interesting.

And then something else happened. And then a third thing happened. And I'm kind of like, oh, wow,

this is super interesting. And so I determined to put together an episode or two at the end of the

year right around the same time that those of you who are going to church each week

would be studying this section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants.

I'm going to come follow me for all of the age groups.

And so if all the stars align, that is, in fact, what's going to be happening.

We are recording in order to be able to kind of talk with

you about the big picture of things that have been going on in terms of the news of polygamy in

2025, but also I'm hoping to do so in a way that if you are someone that wants conversations

with your partner, with your children, especially with primary children, as polygamy is sort of

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