The growing calls across the nation to defund the police and policing as we know off the charts violence in New York City 11 people shot in just eight hours on Sunday police officers officers who every single day put on that uniform and they run towards danger when we run away from it.

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True breezy true thank you for always being here always for you always give me too much credit for the detective stuff like I think I spent more time as a detective supervisor than I did as a detective.

But I did as I spent a fair amount of times detective in fairness. So I appreciate that. And by the way, what is the plural of chef? Is it chef chef chef chef chef chef chef chef chef. That's a very clear. So we have a very special guest today. If you remember back probably about mid summer, maybe July early July.

We did a three part series on Daniel holds clone Oklahoma City police department police officer.

Just a generally good guy grew up a cops kid played football the whole nine yards and he just wanted to serve his serve the public.

He's involved in a traffic stop on his way home one night. Things took an immediate 90 degree turn in his life. So with him with us rather tonight.

We have his sister who is named Jenny holds claw is a Jenny or Jennifer, which do you prefer? You can go with Jenny. Okay Jenny. All right. So I'm Drew Jenny. It's it's nice to meet you. I'm very, very glad you're here.

Thank you. What we normally do is we take police cases such as like, you know, such as this one.

And we just kind of thoroughly break it down. You know, Eric's got some time on the street as an officer. I got some time.

You know, in the law enforcement field also and I've got a little bit of an administrative background also. So we just kind of objectively look at police cases because we're not always right.

You know, and we want to make sure that, you know, in the just in the sense of appealing to the first responders that we entertain and inform. We also bridge the gap for the community that we serve because we want them to see that, you know, we do ask tough questions.

And we do hold officers accountable. This was an egregious case in my opinion because the wrong officer is being held accountable in this.

And again, this is my opinion. But it's a rare opportunity that we have a family member that we can talk about because one of the themes that we explore on this show is the greater mental health of the entire law enforcement family.

Especially when something like this happens, like when somebody is either wrongfully accused or even if they're just accused of something like people may not realize or understand what kind of toll it takes on the family.

I'm just going to turn it over to you for for the time being just, you know, walk us through. I know that this started in 2014 and just for a frame of reference, we had an anniversary the other day of Mike Brown shooting, which was in August of 2014. This happened two or three months prior to that. So tell us what you remember and what you know.

Jenny, before you get started, sorry, Jenny, but before you get started, just know we've done a three part series on Daniel Holtz call on the fair to stop podcast channel all under breakdowns. So for those of you who are behind and you want the totality of the case, we did three, two hours segment at six hours total on this case.

If you have questions, go back to those episodes and those questions, when this is more of a follow up to those six, I'm sorry, do that six hours worth of podcast content for free right here by the further stop podcasts.

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