377. AMMA — Market Chaos: How to Not Just Survive, But Thrive

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Business, Management, Entrepreneurship, Marketing

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

What if the greatest threat to your law firm isn’t change — but your refusal to adapt? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill confronts the fear, uncertainty, and opportunity facing firm owners in a rapidly shifting legal landscape. From private equity to AI disruption to non-lawyer ownership, this conversation goes beyond survival mode — and into the mindset, systems, and leadership required to thrive when the rules change. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why the value of your firm is inversely proportional to how much it depends on you How to leverage AI behind the scenes, without compromising your brand What it takes to lead with vision and resilience when the future feels uncertain In chaotic times, the most resourceful leaders rise — will you be one of them? ---- Show Notes: 00:00 — Introduction 03:59 — The threat (and opportunity) of non-lawyer ownership: What it means for your firm’s value 05:00 — Why your law firm’s worth drops the more it depends on you 06:36 — What makes a firm truly valuable — and how to build it 08:06 — Should you market your use of AI? Here’s what actually matters 09:31 — The back-end power of AI: Make your firm more efficient, not cheaper 10:52 — Feeling defeated? Here’s why giving up isn’t the answer 13:18 — Resourcefulness > resources: Who really wins in uncertain markets 15:25 — The mindset shift every firm owner needs right now ---- Links & Resources: LSA (Local Services Ads)Google Ads ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: Episode 291 — Tim Grover — The Dark Side of Achievement Episode 229 — David Goggins — Never Finished: Unshackle Your Mind and Win the War Within Episode 258 — AMMA — The Power of No: Setting Boundaries for Focused Growth

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0:00.0	So should you be leveraging AI and technology at 110% absolutely?
0:06.0	Should that be your value proposition?
0:09.0	Not if that's not who you are.
0:16.0	I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.
0:22.1	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:24.9	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:30.2	earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:34.6	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and
0:41.2	committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast, I sit down
0:45.6	with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive
0:50.1	in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game
0:54.8	changer. This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at Chris, and today we're flipping the
1:00.2	script for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on, how private equity evaluates
1:05.7	law firms, and what makes yours attractive or risky, why the value of your firm lies in
1:10.6	outcomes, not the tech you
1:12.1	use to get there, and what to do when the industry shifts and your motivation starts to fade.
1:17.0	Chances are you started your law firm because you wanted to bet on your own decision-making,
1:21.4	so it does seem more appealing for you to shut down the practice and go work for somebody else,
1:25.8	then maybe you should go do that.
1:28.1	That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.
1:40.2	Here we are for another AMMA.
1:43.1	Welcome back.
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