376: Influencer, Algorithm, Crowd — With Renée DiResta

Tech Policy Podcast

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4.8 • 45 Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2024

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Renée DiResta (Stanford Internet Observatory) discusses her new book, Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality. Topics include: - Social media influencers: the new media elite - How do ideas take root? - Influencers as exploiters of asymmetries - Bullshit: an investigation - Could platforms have stopped Stop the Steal? - Fixing the expert class - Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent - The future of social media Links: Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality (https://tinyurl.com/y66h4us5) Influencers, Bullshitters, and How We Lost a Shared Reality (https://tinyurl.com/2bc8am93) Renée DiResta at Politics and Prose (DC), June 13 (https://tinyurl.com/pm4cvaya) Renée DiResta at the Commonwealth Club (SF), June 17 (https://tinyurl.com/h62tkb3p) The New Media Goliaths (Noema) (https://tinyurl.com/29p7rjxr) Agents of Influence newsletter (https://tinyurl.com/44zstpty) Tech Policy Podcast 293: The Supply of Renée DiResta Should Be Infinite (https://tinyurl.com/59k265aa)

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0:00.0	The last time René Diresta was on the show, the title for the episode was
0:28.5	The Supply of Renée Duresta should be infinite.
0:33.9	Technically, this was a nod to the supply of disinformation will soon be infinite, a fantastic
0:41.6	2020 article that Renee published in The Atlantic.
0:45.4	But I'd have been happy to give the episode that name regardless.
0:50.2	Welcome back to the Tech Policy Podcast.
0:54.1	I'm Corbyn Barthold.
0:56.2	This is not a René Deresta fan podcast, or more accurately, it is not just a Renée
1:04.7	Duresta fan podcast.
1:07.6	Renee has a new book, Invisible Rulers, The People Who Turn Lies Into Reality.
1:14.9	It is out today, if we get this publication date right.
1:20.0	Go and get it. It is amazing.
1:23.9	Renee contends that a new system of persuasion is transforming society.
1:29.2	At the heart of this system, our social media influencers, the algorithms that give them visibility, and the crowds that follow and amplify them.
1:39.5	It is a system that privileges rumors over facts, propagandists over experts, and paranoia over reason.
1:48.6	It corrods trust in institutions and splinters Americans into what Renee calls bespoke realities.
1:56.3	The result is a pervasive acrimonious dissensus that is untenable for democratic society.
2:04.1	I'd be remiss if I didn't note that my review of Renee's book is also out. Again, if publication
2:10.6	goes as planned, it's at the bulwark. I'll make sure it's in the show notes. Do check it out after you're done here. Renée,
2:21.6	welcome back. Thank you for having me. That was quite the intro. Well, I meant every word,
2:28.0	really, really enjoyed the book. As I hinted at in the intro, much of it centers around the
2:33.2	interplay between influencers, algorithms, and crowds.
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