37. The unexpected friendship of an ex-skinhead and the victim he nearly killed

All The Wiser

Kimi Culp

Society & Culture, Education, Health & Fitness, Self-improvement

4.9 • 652 Ratings

🗓️ 2 September 2020

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

It took three months of working together at the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles before Matthew Boger and Tim Zaal realized they had met before, as teenagers in the 80's, when then Neo-Nazi skinhead Tim beat Matthew, a homeless, gay 14-year old, nearly to death. This moment of recognition began a process of healing and forgiveness that led the two men to speak together on stages across the country about their unlikely friendship. Today, Matthew and Tim share a vision that all things are possible, and provide hope to those who feel lost or otherwise unable to break free from the past.

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0:18.9	Tees and Z supply.
0:45.2	Hi, wise ones. It's Kimmy. It's 2023 and it's Pride Month. Fourth of July is just around the corner.
0:56.9	Our country was founded and even named with the words United States. We were intended to be the land of the free and the home of the brave.
1:08.6	As you all know, today we are a country that is divided, we are fractured, we are broken. I believe that like me, many of you are looking for, are yearning for hope and possibility
1:14.8	for our country's future, that somehow, some way, we will be united. We will thrive again.
1:23.4	So it seemed like the perfect time to go back and share one of my favorite stories we've aired on the podcast.
1:31.8	The story is about two men, Tim and Matthew.
1:35.4	As teenagers, Tim was a white supremacist and Matthew was gay and living on the streets.
1:42.9	Tim beat Matthew so bad, he nearly died.
1:46.9	Decades later, in a chance meeting at the Museum of Tolerance,
1:52.5	Tim and Matthew's world collided again,
1:55.8	and they ultimately became friends.
1:58.7	I'm not sure what the path back is to a united country, but I do know the
2:05.2	change doesn't happen with only surrounding ourselves and engaging with people who think and act
2:12.0	like us. It requires courage to sit with people who do not think like us or look like us or talk like
2:19.6	us or share our faiths, our values, and our beliefs. It's not about abandoning your belief system.
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