The following is a conversation with Shannon Curry, a clinical and forensic psychologist who

conducts research, therapy, and psychological evaluations pertaining to trauma, violence,

and relationships. She received worldwide attention in April of last year by giving a lengthy

televised testimony on her psychological evaluation of Amber Heard during the Johnny Depp

Amber Heard trial. I found her testimony to be an eloquent description of complex psychological

concepts and evaluations procedures. So I reached out for a chat. In person, she was brilliant,

funny, thoughtful, and truly kind. I really, really enjoyed this conversation.

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