The following is a conversation with Sam Harris, his second time in the podcast.

As I said two years ago when I first met and spoke with Sam,

he's one of the most influential pioneering thinkers of our time.

As the hosts of the Making Sense podcast, creator of the waking up app,

and the author of many seminal books on human nature and the human mind,

including the end of faith, the more landscape, lying, free will, and waking up.

In this conversation, besides our mutual fascination with AGI and free will,

we do also go deep into controversial challenging topics of Donald Trump,

Hunter Biden, January 6th, vaccines, lab leak, Kanye West, and several key figures

at the center of public discourse, including Joe Rogan and Elon Musk, both of whom have been friends

of Sam and have become friends of mine. Somehow, an amazing life trajectory that I do not

deserve in any way, and, in fact, believe is probably a figment of my imagination.

And if it's alright, please allow me to say a few words about this personal aspect of the

conversation of discussing Joe, Elon, and others. What's been weighing heavy on my heart

since the beginning of the pandemic now three years ago is that many people I look to for wisdom

in public discourse stop talking to each other as often, with respect, humility, and love.

When the world needed those kinds of conversations the most. My hope is that they start talking again.

They start being friends again. They start noticing the humanity that connects them,

that is much deeper than the disagreements that divide them.

So, let me take this moment to say with humility and honesty, why I look up to and

I'm inspired by Joe, Elon, and Sam. I think Joe Rogan is important to the world,

as a voice of compassion and curiosity and open mindedness to ideas, both radical mainstream,

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