This is jockel podcast number 366 with echo Charles and me jockel willick good evening

I go good evening also joining us tonight Dave Burke good evening Dave good evening Dave happens to be

Kind of in San Diego right now, so here you are

Leadership strategy and tactics wrote a book called leadership strategy and tactics and in that book I talked about whether leaders are born or made and

The answer is of course both

people are born with certain characteristics that are beneficial for leadership, right?

The ability to simplify things the ability to detach

Being articulate these are all things that you can be born with various levels of and

Thankfully, they're all things that you can

improve

Right, you can learn to simplify things

You can learn to detach you can learn to become more articulate. It's not easy and

Some people can learn more easily how to simplify things some people can learn more easily how to detach

Some people have a really hard time with it

There's some things that you can't improve

Right, I know in the book. I I use the example of being able to speak loudly because being able to speak loudly

In combat is beneficial and even even if you're trying to get you know, you're you've got an event going on

And you got to get everyone to move through different rooms

It's it's good to have a loud voice and a loud voice is a genetic thing and sure you could train it a little bit

But you some people can only talk so loud

Genetic in my family. It's loud at my house. It's a loud people

So it's genetic trait so

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