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Ghost Town: Strange History, True Crime, & the Paranormal

363: The First Ladies of the Occult

Ghost Town: Strange History, True Crime, & the Paranormal

Ghost Town

Science, History, Social Sciences, True Crime

3.7928 Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 11 minutes

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Summary

The White House has a long dark history with the other side.


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A White House Haunting. I'm Jason Horton. I'm Rebecca Lebe.

0:23.6

And this is Ghost Town. Occult behavior can happen anywhere, dark basements filled with candlelight,

0:46.2

graveyards at midnight, and even the White House. Yes, the White House.

0:53.2

Though 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is perhaps not the first place you'd think of

0:57.7

lifting the veil between the living, the dead, and the spirit world, for years, first ladies,

1:04.1

flotuses with their own agendas, have been convening with mysterious forces for power, answers, and knowledge. And who can blame them?

1:14.2

A high-pressure political role requires support, however you can get it. So, to Dan Gostown,

1:21.3

the known and not so well-known, First Ladies of U.S. history, who believed and dabbled in the occult.

1:29.9

Though many First Ladies believed in ghosts, according to Pat Kreider, the executive director

1:35.0

of the National First Ladies Library, let's make a distinction between the belief in the supernatural

1:40.4

and playing an active role in witchcraft and occult activities. As a note, Grace Coolidge,

1:46.2

Eleanor Roosevelt, Lady Bird Johnson, and Jackie Kennedy all claimed to have seen Lincoln's

1:50.9

ghost or felt his presence during their years in the White House. But again, not exactly what we're

1:56.7

talking about here. No. Today we'll focus on six first ladies who took it much further than that,

2:03.4

showing a fascination and participation in witchcraft-like activities for a means to their own ends.

2:11.0

From March 4, 1853 to March 4, 1857, Jane Pierce, wife of Franklin Pierce, the 14th president of the United States,

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