361: You Can't Change The Temperature Of The Ocean. It's Gonna Be What It's Gonna Be. With Vietnam SEAL, Gil Espinoza.
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🗓️ 23 November 2022
⏱️ 277 minutes
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Fire Fighter and retired Navy Frogman, Gil Espinoza.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Jockel Podcast number 361 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink. Good evening, echo. |
| 0:07.1 | In March of 1969, the Rand Corporation, a semi-private think tank that specialized in research and analysis for the Department of Defense, |
| 0:15.7 | published a report titled The Navy Seal Commandos, a case study of military decision-making and organizational change. |
| 0:25.0 | As far as I know, the first academic level study of the seal teams. |
| 0:29.3 | The report's author was Francis J. Bing West, a former force recon Marine and Vietnam war veteran whose investigation had begun a year earlier, |
| 0:39.8 | and whose research had produced a raft of documents, dozens of interviews, and the first-hand observation of several seal missions into the Rung Sat and Meikong Delta. |
| 0:50.5 | For this research, West had produced an 18-page report whose introduction provided a brief description of seal training, training he estimated at a cost of around $14,000 per man, |
| 1:03.5 | plus an overview of the Seals commitment to Vietnam at its height, a commitment that never exceeded 150 seals, or roughly 1,150 fewer than the in-country height of the Green Berets total complement. |
| 1:18.7 | It was a commitment that stood out in even starker relief when placed next to the author's obvious admiration for the Seals' progression from lackluster coastal raiders to the war's most aggressive direct-action commandos. |
| 1:33.7 | Admittedly, commandos who had had no business becoming such, and thus had drawn the interest of the same preeminent think tank that it created the US military's nuclear defense strategy. |
| 1:47.4 | Intended as a study on organizational change, the report's true purpose had been to discover how the Navy could have possibly succeeded in creating a land-focused commando force, |
| 2:00.4 | a force that even the Viet Cong had reportedly dubbed the Men with Green Faces, a color not normally associated with the Navy's traditional medium. |
| 2:10.4 | It was a puzzle of personal importance to the author, as the Marine Corps, the far more likely branch of service, had never succeeded in creating anything similar. |
| 2:21.3 | Ultimately, the author decided the most important factor in the Seals infringement was owing to the Seals themselves and the culture that weighed upon them. |
| 2:33.3 | Drawn from a notorious, least selective training program that produced few qualified candidates, the Seals naturally had had to find a mission that kept casualties low, |
| 2:46.3 | a circumstance that might have pushed them, like the Lurps or the Force reconmarines, into a reconnaissance role. |
| 2:53.3 | Had they had anyone to pass the intelligence, too? They hadn't. |
| 2:58.3 | Nor had there been any great pressure from the River Enforce to engage in any sort of Green Beret style advisory, duty, or civic action. |
| 3:08.3 | Organizational orphans, with no larger force to support or control them, and possessing no love or admiration for the Vietnamese, the Seals had set out into the swamps. |
| 3:20.3 | Not to prove themselves, though training had already done that, said the author, but because not to go would have been inexcusable to the others. |
| 3:31.3 | They had developed a collective value system which emphasized physical hardiness and courage, and they liked to fight. |
| 3:41.3 | So when the tactics of patrol and ambush had proved unproductive, nobody not a seal, meaning no blue water superior officer had ordered them to try something else. They had just done it. |
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