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Optimal Finance Daily - Financial Independence and Money Advice

3564: The 4% Rule and Why We're Not Relying on It by Kiersten Saunders of Rich and Regular on Flexible Retirement

Optimal Finance Daily - Financial Independence and Money Advice

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Business, Education, Investing, Self-improvement

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 18 May 2026

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Discover all of the podcasts in our network, search for specific episodes, get the Optimal Living Daily workbook, and learn more at: OLDPodcast.com. Episode 3564: Kiersten Saunders explores the 4% rule as a framework for achieving financial independence by living below your means, investing wisely, and creating enough wealth to live off investment growth. She also shares why relying solely on stock portfolios isn’t enough for her family, outlining a strategy built around real estate and multiple income streams to create more freedom, flexibility, and control over time. Read along with the original article(s) here: https://richandregular.com/the-4-rule-and-why-were-not-relying-on-it/ Quotes to ponder: "I define financial independence as the “breakeven point” of life, or the point where your fixed cost of living is covered." "IF you are in a position to explore alternative ways of earning income and are interested in owning more of your time, you should consider this approach of “front-loading” your retirement." "A well balanced, cost effective portfolio can withstand an annual withdrawal of 4% into perpetuity." Episode references: Financial Independence Retire Early (FIRE): https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/financial-independence-retire-early-fire.asp S&P 500: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/sp500.asp Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is Optimal Finance Daily, the 4% rule and why we're not relying on it by Kirsten

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Saunders of rich and regular.com.

0:34.5

I don't remember everything about that day, but it's safe to say that my brain exploded when I learned about the 4% rule.

0:42.4

I don't recall which blogger or financial article introduced me to the concept, but I know I've learned a little from a number of places.

0:50.7

I also remember being skeptical, which led me to search for varying explanations from those who might

0:56.8

debunk the math as a myth, but I never found it. What I did find was a tribe of adventurous,

1:04.5

smart, and quirky people in the fire movement, who each had their own way of explaining it,

1:10.0

and my life hasn't been the same since.

1:12.7

With a vision for the future, a group of online homies cheering me on, and now a formula, I knew exactly

1:19.4

what I needed to do. Shortly after that day, I remember crunching some numbers, reviewing various

1:25.3

paths to get there, and challenging myself to be a millionaire by 2020.

1:30.4

For a 27-year-old grad student, it was exciting and overwhelming at the same time.

1:37.2

We referred to our plan to achieve financial independence and retire early, but haven't gone in depth about the underlying math behind this decision.

1:46.2

This is for several reasons.

1:48.7

One, we're not financial educators and don't particularly enjoy presenting data this way.

1:54.8

We're much more comfortable presenting concepts and applying tolerable doses of math

1:59.7

so that R and your brains don't go numb over

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