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355: ‘We can’t stay silent’ | Pakistani journalist speaks out on grooming gangs and Islamism

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🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Is it still possible in the West to openly discuss Islam, or even the crimes committed by a small number of Muslims? Blasphemy laws have arrived in Europe to placate Islamic fundamentalists. A fear of being called racist has allowed grooming gangs to run amok. Anti-Semitism has also surged, as Islamist narratives have dominated the West’s debate over the Israel-Hamas war. Here, Kunwar Khuldune Shahid, a Pakistani journalist working for the Diplomat, warns that Western liberalism, secularism and tolerance are all on the line. 

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0:00.0

Hi, it's Fraser here. You're about to hear the audio from a video we've just published on our YouTube

0:04.5

channel, an interview with Kunwar Kuldun Shahid. To make sure you never miss great contact like this,

0:09.7

make sure you subscribe to our YouTube channel at YouTube.com forward slash spiked.

0:16.3

The term itself, Islamophobia is so duplicitous. Islamophobia is a scourge on our society, which must be rooted out.

0:23.1

When you say Islamophobia, the literal meaning is an irrational fear of Islam.

0:27.7

Why are we invoking Islam to begin with?

0:29.8

It's an ideology that should be as open to critique as any other religion.

0:33.3

Once you tell any particular community that we will accommodate you if you react

0:38.4

violently.

0:38.9

That's just simply giving them more motivation to continue to act more violently and demand more.

0:44.3

It's never going to be enough.

0:50.1

Hello, I'm Fraser Myers, Deputy Editor of Spikes. I'm delighted to be joined down the line

0:57.0

by Kunwar Kuladar Khaled Shahid. He is a correspondent for the diplomat and also a spiked contributor.

1:04.0

Welcome, Kunwar. Thank you so much. Thank you for the invitation.

1:08.0

Kunwar, you wrote recently about the grooming gang scandal in the UK.

1:14.1

Obviously, a lot of the focus politically is around the fact that the Labour government is

1:19.4

dropping its plans to open up local inquiries.

1:23.2

And the lack of interest from the authorities has been one of the major sore points of that scandal.

1:27.9

But you've also written a bit about the cultural factors that brought it around in the first place.

1:32.5

I wonder if you could unpack some of those.

1:35.3

Some of the biggest grooming gang scandals in the UK,

1:38.1

if you look at the demographics of the culprits,

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