Hello and welcome to the Spike podcast. I'm Fraser Myers. Delight to be joined as ever by Spike's editor, Tom Slater.

Hello. And returning extra special guest, writer and comedian, Andrew Doyle.

Hello. Thanks so much for coming on, Andrew. We've got loads to talk about today. We'll be discussing the landmark Supreme Court ruling on gender, how the British state enabled the Abeddy family.

And we'll talk to you, Andrew,

about some of your post-GB news life and activities in America.

So the Supreme Court has handed down extraordinary ruling. It seems extraordinary because it's so common sense and we're so

starved of common sense in our world of the moment. It's basically said that sex is biological,

meaning that trans women are not women. This is absolutely seismic. It probably shouldn't be,

but it is considering the context. Andrew, do you want to

unpack it a bit for us? Yeah, I mean, I think if you hear this for the first time, you think

why on earth is a Supreme Court ruling on what a woman is and what biological sex is, but it does

really matter. And the way it was able to happen was that the campaign group for Women, Scotland,

were able to take a case or raise a case against the Scottish government

because in the Scottish government's guidelines for an act from 2018 I think, their guidelines had said that sex according to the Equality Act of 2010 meant gender identity effectively.

Now that idea has been incorporated across the country in all sorts of ways, in schools, in corporations, in all sorts of companies in the NHS, in government departments. So that misrepresentation of the law has become endemic and someone had to challenge it in some way and it fell to four women in Scotland, you know, three women in Scotland, they've taken on the state.

It's a really incredible story.

And it could have gone either way.

This was the really surprising thing about it.

But of course, when that act was being penned in 2010, nobody at all who was involved would have ever suspected they weren't talking about biological sex. You know, that was clearly obvious. So they always had a good case in that respect.

And they've won it and it's now confirmed that it not just that from now on,

sex in the Equality Act means biological sex, but that is, it has always meant biological sex.

So that's a really key point, I think, that they need to understand that the law has always been the case. So when they've had six single sex spaces for women and men

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