This is Jockel Podcast number 355 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, I go.

So it was about 2009 or 2010, I think.

And I'm in San Diego and that year in San Diego, whatever year this was, the ADCC Trials were in San Diego.

So this is the championship of Jiu Jitsu, of submission grappling and you have to do, you have to get qualified to go there and you have a bunch of competitions all over the world and the North American qualifier happen to be in San Diego.

So I went, of course, and I brought my son with me.

So I got my son with me and he's like seven or eight years old, but he trains all the time so he knows what's up.

And they announce who's next up in this one mat and they go, next up is going to be some guy, Bob all the some guy versus Jeff Clever.

And I was like, I told my son I looked at him and I go, hey, I go, this guy we're going to that mat to watch this guy Jeff Clever. I said, he's crazy.

And so we run over to that mat. We start watching and sure enough, this guy Jeff Clever and I knew Jeff Clever because we started competing in Jiu Jitsu around the same time as a matter of fact, I have a, I have a sheet of paper that has the champions of like a

grappling games or one of these old school Joe Morier, one of these old school Jiu Jitsu tournaments.

And the first place winner of the white belts is Jeff Clever, the first place winner of the blue belts or is me and then Dean Lister is like the purple belt or something along those lines, but it's pretty cool, right.

So anyways, Jeff Clever comes out and what does he do? He like does donkey guard, which means he basically turns his back on his opponent goes on all fours runs at the dude backwards and engages him and then 14 seconds later he's got the guy and he'll hook in the

guy taps. And my son, who again, he's like seven or eight years old, he looks at me and he goes, when you said he was crazy, I thought you meant crazy. I didn't know you meant crazy.

That was it. That was, that was kind of a moment in that I really remember about Jeff Clever and then luckily for me and luckily for everyone in San Diego, Jeff Clever came down and actually taught Jiu Jitsu at Victory MMA for five years or five years we had Jeff Clever here teaching Jeff Clever.

He ended up, you know, he's done all kinds of stuff. He was the Pan Am champ 2005 the Pan Am champ 2006 2007 No Ge World Champion 2008 No Ge Silver medalist 27 time champion of

Grappler's Quest. Maybe it's more. It's, but a lot 27 times champion of Grappler's Quest and we are super stoked to have Jeff Clever here on the podcast to talk to us tonight. Jeff, what's happening?

Thank you, Jago. That's coming down. Also with him is Pete Letzos, which who you probably don't know you probably don't know who Pete Letzos is, but that's okay. You might know who Pete the Greek is.

Pete the Greek, another Jiu Jitsu legend.

1999 and 2000 Pan Am third place as a blue belt 2001 great Gracie invetational champion 2002 São Paulo state champion 2003 Pan Am champion purple belt.

Got his black belt in 2006 under the under the Carlson Gracie side of the family. And you know what that means? Carlson Gracie Jr. 2006 Pete the Greek opened his academy up in Chicago.

He's he's famous in the Jiu Jitsu world featured in the book The Gracie Way. He's without a doubt the best wrist locker in the world making sure that the world is not ignoring that 5% of the body. Pete the Greek thanks for coming down man.

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