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Today's clip is from episode 260 of the podcast with Oliver Birkman, author of the wonderful 4,000 weeks time management for mortals.

In this clip, Oliver reveals some of his best tips to help us overcome overwhelmed, make better choices and build a meaningful relationship with time.

A lot of what we see as doctors these days is related to our collective modern lifestyles, but it's not just about things like food choices or are we moving our bodies.

It's actually a lot of this kind of stress and worry over trying to control time that's uncontrollable.

You're trying to meet this bar that you can never meet that you'll have work life balance, you'll have mastery over your email and bots and actually the frustration when you don't have it, a leads to a lot of poor lifestyle choices because that sense of frustration that a discomfort needs to be sued in some way, whether it be with a tub of ice cream or biscuits or booze or you just can't sleep because you're chronically stressed and thinking and worrying about the future of fretting over the past.

So actually really understanding our relationship to time and knowing that you can't control it.

I actually think it's very, very important for each and every single one of these days. It's not just something that's philosophical. It's actually the fabric of our daily lives and when we get it wrong, it impacts every moment in our life.

Yeah, no, that's a really, that's a really interesting point. The ways in which we try to sort of not feel this discomfort to dull the pain of those things.

They have impact on us physically because of the sort of narcotic ways that we choose to sort of absolutely. It's a, it's huge.

What's really interesting to me is how you came into writing about time and our relationships to time because from the research I've done, it appears that you were keen to learn all these productivity tools and actually get better at managing your time and getting the most out of every ounce of time.

You know, tell me a little bit about that journey and at what point did you realize actually, I'm playing the wrong game here like this is actually futile.

Yeah, took a long time to get it through my thick skull apparently, but one of the things I did was I wrote this column for the Guardian for years, weekly column on psychology where one of the things I did was to test out a lot of these kinds of techniques.

And that was really useful and interesting and I'm really glad I had the opportunity, but it was also a little bit enabling of my worst side in a way.

Here I was thinking that I was one day going to find the perfect set of productivity techniques and time management techniques that was going to like make me capable of doing everything and not have to say no to anything and not have to worry that I was letting anybody down and all of this.

And then I had this job where I could justify trying out like another 50 new techniques and getting hold of another 20 books or courses on the topic because it was for work.

And actually that was really useful in the end right you sort of get to a point where you're thinking well, okay, this is like the hundredth way I've tried to structure my to do list or organize my day and it isn't bringing me the thing that I'm trying to get out of it.

So maybe as you say, maybe I'm playing the wrong game here, rather than that I just haven't found the right technique and it's not that these techniques are all rubbish.

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