353 | Alvin Roth on the Economics of Morally Contested Markets
Sean Carroll's Mindscape: Science, Society, Philosophy, Culture, Arts, and Ideas
Sean Carroll
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🗓️ 11 May 2026
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
Economic markets are efficient ways of deciding fair prices, at least in ideal circumstances of perfect competition, information, and choice. But there is more to life than fair prices. Two people might decide on a fair price to carry out a contract killing, but society generally frowns on the idea. Many examples of morally contestable markets feature less consensus than that one: sex work, drugs, selling organs, adopting children. In his new book Moral Economics, economist Alvin Roth investigates how we should reason through such tricky cases, and what we can learn from them.
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Alvin Roth received his Ph.D. in operations research from Stanford University. He is currently the Craig and Susan McCaw Professor of Economics at Stanford University and the Gund Professor of Economics and Business Administration Emeritus at Harvard. He was President of the American Economic Association in 2017. He and Lloyd Shapley shared the 2012 Nobel Prize in Economics for "the theory of stable allocations and the practice of market design."
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Mindscape podcast. I'm your host, Sean Carroll. I'm sure that |
| 0:04.9 | various mindscape listeners have opinions about markets in economics, the way that we set prices |
| 0:12.8 | and exchange rates for all sorts of goods and services. Markets are clearly everywhere, both, |
| 0:18.8 | of course, in capitalist countries, but even elsewhere, there |
| 0:21.6 | are things that play the roles of markets deciding how different people who want to sell |
| 0:27.8 | things and buy things can decide on a fair rate of exchange and make those exchanges happen. |
| 0:33.8 | They also have downsides. |
| 0:35.6 | You know, markets can be exploitative, they can be unfair, they can be monopolized and so forth. |
| 0:41.2 | Put aside all of those issues for the moment. |
| 0:44.4 | So forget about most of the ways in which markets help us or harm us in typical everyday situations. |
| 0:51.3 | Let's focus in on an ideal situation where you have one party who has something |
| 0:58.1 | that they don't need anymore. They want to get rid of it. They want to sell it. They want to |
| 1:02.6 | give it for some price to some other person. And you have another party who would like that |
| 1:09.0 | item and has some money or other commodities |
| 1:11.9 | in order to spend to get that item. |
| 1:15.6 | And they're both interested in doing this. |
| 1:18.0 | They would both be made happier by having this exchange happen. |
| 1:22.3 | Is it always a good thing to allow that exchange to happen? |
| 1:26.8 | You might say yes until you think about it a little bit more and you go like, well, |
| 1:30.2 | okay, there are counter examples. |
| 1:31.5 | Like what if the, as we'll talk about in this podcast, what if the good in question is a |
| 1:39.1 | contract to assassinate somebody? |
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