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Welcome to the show. I'm Jordan Harbinger. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories,

secrets, and skills of the world's most brilliant people, and turn their wisdom into practical advice

that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. We want to help you see the matrix

when it comes to how these amazing people think and behave, and we want you to become a better

thinker. If you're new to the show, we've got episodes of spies and CEOs, athletes, and authors,

thinkers and performers, as well as toolboxes for skills like negotiation, body language,

persuasion, and more. So, if you're smart and you like to learn and improve, then you're going to

be right at home here with us. In today's conversation, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

General Martin Dempsey will discuss how learning how to follow is as much a skill as leadership,

and how character is made over time, mostly to ourselves, based on a series of small decisions

that we make individually. Characters not made in the easy moments where things tend to go our way.

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