This is Spirit Jim.

The conversation in today's episode may inspire critical thinking.

Paul is talking with Alex Zek, a former army captain turned independent researcher,

podcaster, speaker and writer.

Together, they're exploring topics such as the misuse and misunderstanding of the scientific method in modern research,

the failure of disciplines like biology, genetics and cell biology to meet basic scientific rigor,

and the importance of using holistic frameworks over reductionist symptom-based models.

They also dive into Alex's personal transformative

story and the success his family have experienced with healing using natural methods. If you

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Well, hello everybody.

As you heard from Penny's intro, we have a very exciting and interesting guest today,

Alex Zek.

I've been wanting to get them on the podcast for a long time,

and I finally was able to organize it with Alec and today we're going to have a dialogue on the topic of thinking holistically and problem solving and I think

Alec has been making a lot of very important observations I began listening to him at the beginning of COVID or

some time around that point. And I thought, finally, there's someone rational out there that's got

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