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346. Two (Totally Opposite) Ways to Save the Planet

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🗓️ 23 August 2018

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

The environmentalists say we’re doomed if we don’t drastically reduce consumption. The technologists say that human ingenuity can solve just about any problem. A debate that’s been around for decades has become a shouting match. Is anyone right?

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0:00.0

At one point I was going to call the book Toblerone for 10 billion.

0:03.6

That was vetoed by my editor for some reason.

0:09.0

Charles C. Mann is a journalist who writes big books about the history of science.

0:13.6

His current interest is the modern environmental movement.

0:16.5

The modern environmental movement, which I would argue is the only successful ideology

0:21.1

to emerge from the 20th century.

0:22.8

By the middle of the 21st century, the global population is expected to reach 10 billion.

0:27.8

And the question is, are we going to be able to satisfy all their demands for food, water, energy?

0:33.2

Also, Toblerone.

0:34.7

Because in addition to food and water in the basics, they're going to want occasional treats.

0:38.5

And there's one more big concern.

0:40.4

How are we going to deal with climate change? Those are the big challenges.

0:43.2

The future of food, water, energy, and climate change. Big challenges indeed.

0:48.9

How will those challenges be met?

0:50.8

There have been two ways that have been suggested overarching ways to represent

0:54.8

if you like polls and a continuum, and they've been fighting with each other for decades.

1:00.0

That fight and those two worldviews are the subject of Charles Mann's latest book,

1:05.0

which he wound up calling the wizard and the prophet.

1:08.8

The prophet sounds the alarm and wants us all to cut back.

1:12.6

The wizard urges us to charge forward.

1:15.2

Confident, the technology will solve our problems.

1:18.5

Surely you've heard these prophets and wizards speaking to us,

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