Belgian psychotherapist Esther Perrell is the New York Times best-selling author of

the State of Affairs and Meeting in Capitivity. Her celebrated TED Talks have

garnered more than 20 million views and she's also the host of the popular

podcast where should we begin. You can learn more at esteraparelle.com or by

following act esteraparelle official on Instagram. Also you could check out her

online class she has at MindBodyGreen. Titled your central guide to effective

communication in your relationship at mindbodygreen.com slash ester. It is such an

honor to finally have her on the show.

Esther, welcome. It's such an honor to have you and before we dive into all

things relationships. Let's zoom out and talk about the huge shift we're

experiencing. The great adaptation as you call it. There's so much happening in

the world right now. There's unprecedented uncertainty. So a question to you, how

do you stay grounded during such an unsettling time? It's so interesting you

start with this question because when I was trying to come up with the topic

for my annual virtual training conference sessions live, I thought what is the

essence at this moment for clinicians, coaches, all people working in the field

of relationships and well-being which MindBodyGreen so supports and we

instantly said it is the great adaptation. How do we stay grounded when the

grounded self is moving? What do you do when you have a period of 18 months

plus of prolonged uncertainty, grief, loss, overlapping crises? An image came up

for me that a colleague Lisa Fortuna described when she worked after Maria in

Puerto Rico where the kids described that there were two kinds of trees. The

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