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And I think with me and Ben Wallace, I think the only argument was who was going to win defensive player of the year.

It was only us, too.

There was nobody else, not even Tim Duncan, not Bruce Bowen.

They was trying, but it was only us two at the end of the day.

Right.

And so that was the rivalry between me and Ben.

You know, and I'll never make it any more than that,

even though I got pumped on national TV.

Welcome to episode 345 of the Jim Rome podcast.

What's Crackin?

It is my original side hustle.

It is the place I go to stretch out and have the types of conversations that I simply cannot have on our daily programs. So we are now 300 plus steps in and there is no way that I'm ever going to slow down. This week's episode is another example of why that is. This week, I chop it up with one of the most compelling

athletes of a generation. Honestly, in all my years of watching and talking and covering the NBA,

I'm not sure I've ever seen a dude quite like this guy. Furthermore, every last one of you

who is aware of this guy has an opinion of this guy, but you don't actually know this guy.

Like I've always said, we don't really know any of these dudes.

Well, especially this dude, as you're about to find out.

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