#345 How the Globalization Gamble Went Wrong w/ David J. Lynch
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 8 September 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Washington Post Global Economics Correspondent David J. Lynch joins Ben & Bob for a discussion about his new book The World's Worst Bet: How the Globalization Gamble Went Wrong (and What Would Make it Right) (Public Affairs, 2025). David has a unique perspective on globalization; first as a journalist who has spent the last four decades covering the global economy for some of America's most influential media outlets, and now as an analyst of how the optimism of the 1990s turned to the pessimism of today.
If you enjoy this episode, make sure to check our conversation with Joe Lockhart in episode #344.
This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Bob Crawford. |
| 0:06.7 | I'm Ben Sawyer. |
| 0:08.0 | And this is the road to now. |
| 0:10.4 | And this is our first time, Ben. |
| 0:11.8 | I've seen your beautiful face in two months. |
| 0:14.9 | I know. |
| 0:15.5 | I know. |
| 0:15.9 | It's good to be back, man. |
| 0:17.2 | Back at it. |
| 0:17.7 | We got all these episodes lined up. |
| 0:19.2 | Although people listening to the show, we're going to be confused because they're going to be like, but they heard a new episode last week. But we're recording them off. And we've got a great book in today. And we're lining them up so we can make sure that we maximize, you know, the publicity for these solid authors we got coming up. We're both holding this book. Yeah, we're both holding it up. |
| 0:37.9 | We're both being like, oh, I want to do it. It's been so long. We're both like, I would be the one who introduces the book. Go ahead, Ben. So it's David J. Lynch, journalists. Got a new book out. The World Worst Bet, How the Globalization Gamble went wrong and What Would Make It Right? I think you already got us with that title, The World's Worst Bet. |
| 0:56.6 | That was the whole idea. Gamble went wrong and what would make it right. I think you already got us with that title, The World's Worst Bet. |
| 0:56.5 | That was the whole idea. |
| 0:59.6 | David, my thinking reading your book was, oh, this is the road to now. |
| 1:05.8 | Like, that's what this book is. |
| 1:07.6 | It's like, Ben, our first episode, May of 2016, we're talking about the populism of Bernie Sanders and the populism of Donald Trump. |
| 1:17.9 | Mm-hmm. |
| 1:18.4 | And this book, the world's worst bet, is how we got here. |
| 1:24.3 | It is the missing link in all of those Donald Trump books that are out right now. |
| 1:30.5 | It's the missing link of the history from the fall of the Soviet Union until today. |
| 1:37.9 | Yeah. |
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