You need to tread the thinnest line between reality and not reality. What was London like back in 2005? Busy kind of metropolis of a mix of people. And right in the centre of that, it's like this game happening that no one else can see. This shadowy, murky world underneath. And that's where I was. You'd pass me in the street and I'd be following someone around or whatever and you didn't know I was doing that.

Is this the day we miss it?

But the one time it really hurt, mate, from being honest was the irony had a grand day concert. I was one of the first officers on the ground the next day. Were you? And to see, as a northerner, to see the devastation and impact. How many people died in that Manchester bombing? So you, man. I got Osama bin Laden man. I went hunting that guy in 2002 after 9-11. I had a presence about him, had a vision, and people brought into that. But to behead someone, as he's come out of the army barracks? That's, that's barbaric. There was just as much threat from people who were born in the UK, the people who came from outside. Okay. I don't think it's an immigration issue, Dodge, I don't.

So we've got to look inward.

I think the division that we're seeing in the UK today isn't helping, driving people into

corners, and when you pop someone in the corner, they're going to come out fighting.

What's the most brutal thing you've seen?

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Let's roll all the way back.

What's it like working for the Secret Service MI5 for the past 15 years?

You promised you wouldn't say that. And I did not say that. For anyone watching at home, there are not my words. Let me say that straight away. They're my words, everyone. It was around 7-7. In fact, I was in training in that organisation when 7-7, the London bombings happened. I was thrust into this most kinetic, chaotic environment of defence. We'd never seen it before in the UK.

And I was on the front line, mate.

And every single day operational on the front line,

gathering intelligence against the most dangerous people in the world at that point,

trying to keep our country safe, right, trying to stop bombs going off.

And it was a wonderful career, a career that saw me work all over the world,

saw me go head to head with terrorists, people who wanted to kill us all and who would have definitely killed me, had they known who I really was. But underneath it, I think when I reflect back,

the thing that kept me going back every day was the mission.

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