You've got to grind, grind, grind at that grindstone Though childhood slips like sand through a sieve

And all too soon they've up and grown And then they've flown

And it's too light for you to give

Hello and welcome once again to the cinephiles where this week we are continuing our exploration of the incredible film Mary Poppins.

My name is Steve Morris, I'm a filmmaker and directing instructor in Los Angeles, California.

Hello everyone, my name is John Roca, I'm a writer producer and host here in San Diego, California.

And last week we said if you leave us a nice five star review on our Apple podcast page, we would be happy to read it on our next episode.

And here I have one from Social Gala Heart, I believe is the name and they give us five stars and say I discovered your podcast while researching a movie for my film class.

One podcast in and I was hooked both my husband and I love listening to you. In fact, we save special occasion episodes for road trips.

Wow, which I think is really cool. That's very sweet. Yeah, the inside and film knowledge make listening to two of you as I'm attending a master as if I'm attending a master class.

And this person recently changed their you their major to a double major with film. Wow.

And they saw Mary Poppins in the theater in 1964. It's one of their favorites. And they say thank you again for this Mary Poppins podcast. I loved it.

Spitzpot. Spitzpot. Well, thank you very much. And I have one more minor correction I would like to make before we jump back into the film, which is, you know, we talked a lot about certain opinions that Walt Disney had.

Yes, that might have been anti-Semitic or homophobic. And we got a bit of pushback online, which I appreciate that apparently there are a lot of people, including the Sherman brothers who obviously were Jewish.

Yeah, that have said that wasn't true that he was not anti-Semitic at all. And I hope I hope that we were wrong and that he because I really admire Walt Disney and I don't like to think negative things about people I admire.

I don't mind it, but I understand the creative world. I mean, you really it's tough. It's tough. But I have, I've always been told that he did. And I've seen some illusions to it and other things. So, you know, just because he worked.

Again, this is a very clear thing about that is coming that is making the conversation more nuanced, just because they're married to someone of color or a Jewish person.

Just because they have family members who are Jewish, just because, you know, their friends or work with mood doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't anti-Semitic.

So, I respect the pushback, though, and I think everyone's entitled to their opinion. From what I've seen in red, I'm of the belief of one way and from what these people were pushing back on.

They're of a belief of another way. And, you know, and that's totally fine. I mean, I hear a defend himself one way or another.

Apparently, his brain is frozen somewhere and maybe pull that out and see if it has anything to say.

And Williams, yes. I mean, like all things that we'd like to do on the cinephiles is to have a nuanced conversation. And what I'll say is like, these things are not binary. And depending on when you were raised and where you were is that, you know, saying that he had some anti-Semitic beliefs, being a guy growing up when and where he did is not a surprising thing.

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