This is Jockel Podcast number 337 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, echo. Good evening.

We had planned to take down an insurgent cell known to be located in three or four buildings in a village overrun with SUNY extremists.

I was one of the four seals on the outskirts, making sure the area was clear before establishing the command and control position.

Suddenly, through my grainy, green night vision goggles, I saw a family, a mom, a dad, a 10-year-old kid, and a baby, sleeping outside a shack on a two-foot high platform.

This wasn't entirely unusual given the middle of the night heat in Iraq families often slept outside.

But something about this situation felt off to me. I saw the father start to reach for something.

Instinct told me this was bad. I spoke firmly and clearly to the guy behind me, calling his name, Joel, Joel, Joel, so he would know that I was about to make a move and could cover me.

And I held the Iraqi man in my crosshairs, ready to shoot him at any moment as I rushed as fast as I could toward him before he could grab what did turn out to be a weapon.

He was reaching for an AK rifle just as I put my foot on his arm so he wouldn't be able to point the weapon at me or any of my teammates.

Then I quickly put my muzzle on his chest and subdued him and it listed Joel's help to properly detain him with flex cuffs.

I could have shot him at any time, but as I first approached him, I didn't know for sure that he was armed.

And my instant and instinctive calculation made me confident that I would be fast enough to get him before he could take a shot at me or anyone else if he did have a weapon.

It turned out that the AK was fully loaded and he had three magazines.

And after we got him cuffed, his family under our control and our target secured.

We realized through our interrogation process that he was in fact the number two most wanted enemy in Western Iraq at the time.

So that right there is an excerpt from a book called Never Enough, which was written by Mike Hayes, who is a retired seal officer, who served 20 years in the teams, which included tours at Team 4, Team 8, Team 10, and also a tour as the commanding officer of seal team 2.

And in his career, he deployed to South America, Europe, Iraq and Afghanistan.

He also served in the White House as part of the National Security Councilor Council under both George W. Bush and Barack Obama.

And I actually did serve with him for a short time in Germany when he was the operations officer and we are lucky enough to have him here with us tonight to discuss some of his experiences and lessons learned.

Mike, thanks for joining us, man.

Chaco, great to see you brother.

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