This is Jockel podcast number 336 with echo Charles and me jockel willing good evening echo good evening

so

we've done a lot of

reading and

discussions and interviews on this podcast

About the strategies and tactics

from leadership

from human nature

that I've seen or I've seen others use or I've used myself and

You know this is something that I've noticed lately is and there's something I used to see in the seal teams and

Now I see it at echelon front as well where I can sit there and discuss something with someone and

Think that they understand

How do you lies that lesson immediately? So I explained something to someone and I think okay cool, you know

They get it now right and they'll nod in their head and they'll kind of even give me the read back of you know

What the what the principal means?

And so I think they get it and it seems pretty obvious from my vantage point but

But it isn't always that obvious to everybody and

It can be very hard to see things when you're observing them for the first time

so

A lot of times I like to try and show a tactic or a technique or a strategy or

a procedure from a different angle from a different perspective and

That's you know in order to try and convey that message to someone from a different

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