I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning

that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

You are listening to The Soberful Podcast.

I'm Veronica.

And I'm Chip.

Good to be here.

Well, today we're going to talk about blackout drinking because again, we are coming

into very soon the eighth year anniversary of this podcast. And I actually... You're kidding.

Yeah, I know. Eight years. We're going to make a decade. We're going to make a decade.

Okay. All right. That'll be quite dependent on me living that long, but yes, yes, I hope so. Yeah.

If you could. That would be really helpful. Yeah, okay. All right. So what, we're coming into the

eighth? It'll be coming up in, it's in April. April is when we started it eight years ago.

Okay, so I've got to get April in two years. Okay, all right. Yeah, just, yeah, if you could sort that out. And we haven't actually had an whole episode dedicated to blackout drinking. No, we haven't, no. It's still amazing to me. People will make a suggestion. I think, oh, we've done that. But we could approach things from a different angle, but there's still subjects we haven't covered. It's quite remarkable, really. There are, and I deal with blackout drinking with most clients who come to me with a drink problem. They will definitely register that they've blacked out. Yeah. Well, what they call it. Yeah. You know, addicts don't call it. Blackout, it's a different thing altogether,

but it's a different scientific thing altogether. But with drinkers, most people I know are very blasé about the fact that they blackout. Yeah. And I kind of want to say, you do realize that

blackout drinking is not normal drinking.

Yeah.

I mean, I think in the Jelinek curve, that famous curve that kind of shows the descent from,

I think the first one is onset of quick drinking or something like that, you know,

when we take the first drink very quickly, which most alcoholics do, they kind of drink the first drink very quickly,

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