333 - John Vervaeke, DC Schindler, Ken Lowry - The Ontology of Artificial Intelligence

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

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🗓️ 9 March 2024

⏱️ 119 minutes

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This is a discussion that Ken Lowry kindly organized on his YouTube channel and podcast, Climbing Mt. Sophia. The panel includes me, John Vervaeke and DC Schindler. We talk about the ontology of artificial intelligence from different perspectives: the scientific, philosophical, and spiritual or theological perspectives.

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John Vervaeke’s video essay that prompted this discussion:
John Vervaeke - AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist: https://youtu.be/A-_RdKiDbz4?si=K3SUnyrA1ywedRzf

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0:00.0	This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. All right.
0:27.1	This discussion is going to be oriented towards AI generally and the large language models.
0:35.3	I take there to be a distinction there.
0:37.4	Maybe John, you can talk about that a little bit as we get going here.
0:41.7	But just to position ourselves generally at the outset,
0:46.1	context for this conversation will be John's video essay about AI.
0:52.1	This came out nine months ago, 10 months ago now?
0:55.8	I think it came out last April or something.
0:58.8	Yeah.
0:59.6	Yeah, so almost, yeah, 10 months ago, I think.
1:03.5	Okay, okay, perfect.
1:04.4	Which is great because it gave evidence for my claim that many of the predictions were
1:09.1	premature.
1:11.4	Perfect, yeah. Yeah, so in order to sort of. evidenced for my claim that many of the predictions were premature. Perfect.
1:12.2	Yeah.
1:13.1	Yeah.
1:13.9	So in order to sort of set the framing here, we'll start off with John sharing a little bit
1:18.8	sort of an overview of what the arguments in that essay were.
1:22.5	And then we'll move to Jonathan if you want to sort of position yourself in relation to AI generally.
1:29.8	And then John's essay in particular.
1:33.0	And then same for David.
1:34.6	And then from there, we can just sort of get going and see what comes out.
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