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The Symbolic World

332 - The Garments of Skin

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8824 Ratings

🗓️ 2 March 2024

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

In this podcast, I give you a sneak peek into some of what we are doing with GodsDog and the Garments of Skin comic, while also sharing my very first experience encountering the idea of the garments of skin in the apocryphal Book of Jasher. This was monumental not just for what would later become GodsDog, but it was also part of what drew me to Holy Orthodoxy. Through this kind of storytelling, we can weave together tradition and fiction to hopefully understand tradition better, and enjoy fiction more. Please consider supporting the GodsDog Kickstarter to bring stories like this to life.

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YouTube version: https://youtu.be/yo8TrzRm6J4

Check out this text I wrote in 2002 that started it all. “Garments of skin” and other symbols of periphery - by Jonathan Pageau: https://drive.google.com/file/d/190xqZrzqQv3o4F7jjfP05OGgisbN_5zQ/view?usp=sharing

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Transcript

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Esau steals the garments of skin and then is chased for so long

0:06.0

that he is completely exhausted and completely famished.

0:10.0

And so he bursts into Jacob's tent and he trades his birthright.

0:16.0

But now, in the context of our story, what is Esau's birthright?

0:21.6

And this is, of course, where we could kind of push these things further,

0:25.6

because Esau's birthright in this context is the garments of skin.

0:30.6

Why? Because Esau is in some ways something of Cain in his approach, in what he is, as being the older brother,

0:42.2

being the older brother that wanted to kill Jacob. But he's also the descendant of Seth. And so

0:49.5

by stealing the skins back from Nimrod, he is taking back his birthright.

0:55.3

But immediately, he, because of his weakness and because of his excess and because he's a passionate

1:01.6

person, then he immediately gives up his treasure for something as immediate as his belly. This is Jonathan Peugeot.

1:19.6

Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello everybody.

1:36.4

Today I want to tell you a story.

1:38.8

It's usually not the approach that I take,

1:41.1

although I talk about stories all the time.

1:43.2

But telling my own story and telling aspects of my story is not something that I delve, although I talk about stories all the time. But telling my own story and

1:44.8

telling aspects of my story is not something that I delve into too often. But I thought it

1:49.7

would be interesting to look at, you know, sometimes I know some people have written me or I've

1:56.4

talked to me and told me about their own experiences and their own kind of discovery of the symbolic

2:02.6

world. And so I thought I could take you on a little bit of a trip to see how the idea,

2:08.6

the ideas that I deal with enter the symbolic world, as well as that which led me to orthodoxy,

2:15.6

but also that which also led me to write with my brother

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