What's it like growing up as the son of the godfather of gangsters?

Well, to me, he was a dad. He was a normal fella. How would you explain the reputation your dad had? When he was in company, he dominated that company. He weren't a liberty taker. No, okay. What sort of faces of names were he wrapped around him all those years? Oh, he had a good team, the old man, Peter Tilly, Peter Marshall, and the Nash brothers. Then you had Roy Shaw as well.

And the Ayes was a bloody, a madhouse to this way. You know there's a carload of fellas coming to shoot you. You've got to find them before they find you. There's a horrible, horrible, horrible feeling. You're not, you know, you're not going to know, 21, 22. I'm making decisions where people's lives are in my hand. My dad's been in prison. Both my uncles have been in prison. My grandfather's been in prison. Prison either crush you someone or you're staying strong. You're not me. It weren't going to crush me. I heard the funeral was unreal. Who was there that day, you can remember? Oh, geez. We weren't now. Was there ever been a time, Joey, when you, something's come on top so much,

and you thought, oh, no.

I can't talk too much about it.

But there's been times like, you know.

Let's roll all their back.

What's it like growing up as the son of the godfather of gangsters?

Oh, that's a statement, isn't it?

To me, he was a dad.

He was a normal fella.

You know, obviously I did notice he was different.

You know, there was things about my father.

He was a large and a life character.

And as I was a young kid, you know, all kids look up to their dads. You know, look up to their dad. He was a big, powerful man as well. But then you start noticing when he's in, you know, one thing about my father, when he was in company, he dominated that company. That was the first thing I started noticing. It'd never be a company of of five or six guys and he'd be in the background. The five or six guys would be sitting there and him, it'd be the centre. He didn't caught that attention, but his aura was there. And you felt me if I was all. I remember a guy saying to me years ago. He said, you know, he said, when

your day walked into a pub, I didn't even have to be looking at the door. We just knew

it walked into the pub by the atmosphere changed. And I don't mean that in a fearful way,

because my dad was never a bully, hated bullies. But there was just a, there was just a presence

around them guys you know

you know um as i got owner the villain's side of it obviously i've got to know um my family's always

been going back to my grandparents who uh uncles aunties we've always been what i'll call

scallyways you know you know know, it never actually been a, you know, I remember as a kid, you know, I was six, seven years of age, you know, and I was sitting around my nans' house and, you know, and they're playing games knocking on the door. And my name's gathering to be Joe's shout out. All covers a B word to them.

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