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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project.

I'm your host, Reed Galen.

Today, I'm joined by journalist, author, podcaster, tech industry expert, and whatever else

fits on her business card, Kara Swisher.

Kara is the host of the podcast On with

Kara Swisher and co-host of the Pivot podcast with Scott Galloway, both distributed by New York

magazine. She was the co-founder and editor at large of Recode and host of the Recode Decode podcast.

She's written for numerous outlets, including The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and is a contributor to CNN.

Her latest book, a New York Times bestseller, is Burn Book, a tech love story, which was released at the end of February and is now available wherever fine books are sold.

Today she's coming to us from Washington, D.C. Kara, welcome to the show. Thank you, Ree. I contain multitudes. That's how I like to put it. Yes, you certainly do. Well, first and foremost, thank you for joining us. This is just a treat for me. So the book is a fabulous travelogue through the history of tech. It is. If you want just that, yes, you can find out sort of the history. And it's the history of recent tech, internet. You know, I'm not talking about chips or the beginning of the graphical user interface, although I reference it, but it's not the early tech. No, no, no, it's not when Hewlett Packard was the height of cool. Right. I have that information if you didn't want it. And it was all aerospace and Raytheon and all of that.

But I want to talk about sort of the, let me call it the philosophy of the tech industry over the last quarter century.

Because I find it fascinating and you go through a lot of the personalities you dealt with.

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