330: Does America Exist Without Democracy and Rule of Law? (with Barton Gellman)
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🗓️ 15 March 2024
⏱️ 35 minutes
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Host Reed Galen is joined by Journalist, Author, and Senior Advisor at the Brennan Center for Justice, Barton Gellman. They discuss Barton’s recent pivot from journalism to joining the fight for our democracy, the dangerous threat our nation’s institutions face if an authoritarian wins the presidency, and why a significant segment of Americans feel such a strong sense of dissatisfaction even though their quality of life has generally stayed the same. If you’d like to keep up with Barton Gellman, check out BartonGellman.com. To follow the work of the Brenna Center for Justice, visit BrennanCenter.org. For more from Reed Galen, be sure to subscribe to “The Home Front”. If you’d like to ask a question or share a comment with The Lincoln Project, send an email to podcast@lincolnproject.us.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everyone, it's Reed. Before we get started, I just want to reiterate something I said on a |
| 0:04.0 | recent episode. This is a campaign about values. This is a fight about values. Who are we as a people? |
| 0:12.7 | Who are we as a nation? Who are we as individuals? I know that if you're listening to my voice, |
| 0:18.7 | you're on the right side of history and you're on the side of |
| 0:21.3 | good. |
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| 0:29.5 | arena with us, gang. The work that we will do in the next seven plus months will change |
| 0:35.6 | the future of America and the future of the world and will make |
| 0:40.1 | sure that our kids and grandkids have a country they can be proud of, not one they're afraid |
| 0:46.0 | of. And now, on with the show. |
| 0:58.1 | Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. |
| 1:00.4 | I'm your host, Reed Galen. |
| 1:06.0 | Today, I'm joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, author, and democracy defender, Bart and Gellman. |
| 1:06.9 | Bart is a senior advisor at the Brennan Center for Justice, where he works to promote democracy and the rule of law. |
| 1:13.3 | He is also a visiting lecturer at the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs. |
| 1:18.4 | Prior to joining the Brennan Center, he was a staff writer for the Atlantic, and before that, he spent 21 years at the Washington Post, where he served tours as legal, diplomatic, military, and Middle East correspondent. |
| 1:29.2 | Today, he's coming to us from New York City. |
| 1:31.4 | Bart, welcome back. |
| 1:33.1 | Thank you for having me. |
| 1:34.7 | It's been a while since we had yawn. |
| 1:36.3 | The last time we talked, I think, was right after your, what I'm going to call seminal article on January 6th, I think it was a year later called |
| 1:44.7 | this was all a drill or this was preparing for a coup. It was a cover story in the Atlantic. |
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