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Welcome to Citizen.

We got a great show today with me from our nation's capital and from Jovey Greg bulls how they're going hey good morning

it's great to have a chance to talk to you bad yeah glad you're here um I'm very curious about

how you got into all this before we get into that, let's talk about your background a little bit.

Where'd you grow up?

So, you know, I grew up on the east coast of the United States. I ended up. My mother was a flight

attendant from the United Airlines. My grandfather was a recreational pilot, like a giant

litigation pilot and a Piper cub and um kind of in my

forward of years i moved to cleveland ohio um and i think the stain in my heart i'm a browns fan

uh i dragged that with me my whole life so that's a weight a weight that i drag around um and maybe

this is the year or maybe next year is the year.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like that weight's getting any lighter right now.

But, you know, TBD, I guess.

So some kind of background, I guess, a familial background in aviation,

but that wasn't your job for most of your life.

I mean, you're not like, you're not native to the aviation world, right?

What have you done? Yeah. What else have you done?

Well, so when I was going through high school, I, you know, since being the little kid, always enthralled by aviation.

Looking to the sky, the kind of person that when you shoot an aircraft,

not complaining, but looking, like, what is it?

And losing their attention of people I'm talking to.

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