I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning

that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

You are listening to the Soap Before podcast, and I'm delighted that I'm joined by Chip today.

How you doing, Chip?

I'm delighted to be here.

Delighted to be back again, having had a few little ailments and things, but I'm really pleased to be back. Well, it's our season, isn't it? I feel like, I don't know, my energy, aging, we've talked about this. It's age. I think it's age rather than season. I think it's a season of life we're

in, right? My husband always says this. He says, you know you're old when you meet your friends

that you've had for life and all you talk about is your health problems. Yeah. Yeah.

I've got this and he's got that and I've had this surgery and I've needed to do this.

And my friend, Jan, in Sweden, that's probably what we talk about the most, yeah?

I should think, yeah, definitely, yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

So how is everything else apart from health?

You went on your canal trip with Seth?

I went on my canal trip with my son, which was just magical. And oh my God,

it is so beautiful for me because that is what I wanted from my father. I wanted friendship.

I wanted to be able to be honest with him. I wanted to be able to have a grown-up conversation

about things that interested both of us, to have a grown-up conversation about things that interested

to both of us, to have conflicted ideas about films and things like that. That's what I wanted

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