Hello, scumbags, this is the scummy mummies podcast with your hosts, Ellie Gibson and Helen Thorne.

Hello and welcome to the Scummy Mummy's podcast. It's me, Ellen Thorne. And it's me,

Ellie Gibson.

Ellie, I'm so thrilled today because we have an amazing guest. We have Juliet Rosenfeld. Welcome, Juliet.

Thank you so much. You're a very clever lady. You're a very accomplished lady. You're a BBC accredited psychoanalyst and a very highly regarded author and just a wonderful person. So we're thrilled to have you. But we're extra still because we're going to talk about a topic.

We've spoken a lot about, Ellie. Yes. We're going into the nitty gritty. We're deep diving into

affairs. And who better to educate us, enlighten us and, you know, I guess put us on our path about

why the fuck people have affairs, Juliet, why?

Possibly Lily Allen, but she wasn't available. So instead, we've got Juliet Rosenberg.

It's a hot, hot topic at the moment. It's a hot potato, isn't it? Is he? It's very, it's very,

have you listened to Lily Allen's album, Juliet?

I haven't listened to her album. I've heard it's very good. I've talked a bit about open marriage and what I think about it. And I think I would say that affairs are always a hot topic, usually. I think since time immemorial, probably since Helen of Troy,

people have been very interested in infidelity

and why people break a bond that they have made with somebody in perpetuity

and find someone else.

So how many of us are at it, Juliet,

do we know, is infidelity more or less prevalent

than it was back when, I don't know,

Henry VIII was up to no good?

I mean, he really took it to extremes, arguably, but anyway.

Well, one of the things I think is interesting

is that the research is quite unreliable.

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